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Republicans know ...
Republicans know there's nothing wrong with government run health care, they've simply put all their chips in on this because they needed some sort of big? catalyst to attack Obama with.

"Ah, Republicans, ...
"Ah, Republicans, they do? amuse me... as they destroy the country." - Cenk Uygur

The problem with ...
The problem with America is? that THEY (public) keep electing these FOOLS over and over again.

What you don't ...
What you don't understand is that PEOPLE make the market in absence of a terrible power that holds them down. The gov't is created with the MOST POWERFUL people, whoever they are - be it a king or a revolutionary. Whoever takes it upon himself to spill blood that day. If you can rebel and you succeed at throwing down your king, you become the king. Eventually you become the king and people become your subjects, no matter what they might have? believed at first. Peace out.

Most of gov'ts *and ...
Most of gov'ts *and you should look it up* throughout the history were and ARE completely undemocratic and have elites at the top, who are there because they have the power to KILL YOU. The only reason people didn't rebel every single day against? their gov't, was/is because the gov't amassed power - military/police/money to keep people down. The WORST slavery is slavery taken with gratitude. -- People NEVER enabled gov't to step in to control market. PEOPLE ARE THE MARKET!

As to citizenry ...
As to citizenry enabling gov't. You are completely and utterly wrong on this. Totally wrong. Absolutely wrong. - I'll explain why. You are thinking that throughout the history of humans, the gov't that humans had was democratic in some way, created for the benefit of society. THAT is why you are wrong. Throughout most of human history, the gov't that humans have were there by the time? the human was born. Most of the gov'ts were never democratic. Kings/dictators is the norm

I do not have ...
I do not have problems with big business, you are correct! I have problems with big gov't, because you know what? At the end of the day big business cannot make me buy their s**t and big gov't only has to pass a law and I have no choice but to buy theirs. The illusion of choice that you have comes from a mistake that somehow democracy provides you with more freedom. It does? not. Today for example, Communist China has freer business climate than so called Capitalist USA.

of free market. If ...
of free market. If you still can't see this, then I'm? afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree. Free market is the system with the longest shelf life, but it's one of the WORST systems you can possibly have in a society. I know, I studied economics. I WAS a conservative. I been exposed to issues on both sides of the fence. I'm not saying I'm right, but I can at least see what's wrong. Your idea is great in theory, but any working economic model would shred it.

everything, then WE ...
everything, then WE would be the ones giving themthe contracts, hiring them for ALL services, as we just eliminated the middle man only. Why do you think corporation contribute MOST to the Republican party and? they in turn seek to deregulate as much as possible. Do you not see that? Even when they lobby democrats, it's for dereugulation, non transparency, etc. It's due to deregulation and free market that companies outsource and are NOT hiring. It's cheaper that way. The beauty

Following my above ...
Following my above examples (leading off from your reasoning) big business then becomes the new gov. Privatizing everything then puts everything into their hand. As they could now be called the New Government, by definition, that's nationalizing. ? Because it would still be a free market system, hence competative, yet under the same umbrella, that becomes (de facto) corporatism. Corporation are the ones who love gov. because, yes. Gov greases them. But if you privatized

unregulated free? ...
unregulated free? market) who is destroying society. Getting rid of gov. intervention and privatizing everything simply removes the "middle man" and hands over the reigns to the businesses (by defacto-the personification of "free market").

Gov. is the entity ...
Gov. is the entity that created and is sustain the economy due to the fact that we have a FIAT? currency and a Federal Reserve (which is against the constitution). All modern economic principles are bulls**t anyway. The current free market economic system we have in place works only because the gov. gave our FIAT currency value. You also say gov. is killing our society, but your whole point is gov. is in the pocket of Big Business. So it's Big Business (who profit most from

I've NEVER ...
I've NEVER understood the conservatives inability to see these obvious truths. What's ironic is? I used to BE conservative-and looking back, can't understand why I thought as I did. I know HOW my views change, I just don't know why they were what they were in the first place.

everything, who do ...
everything, who do you think will be the ones doing the business, getting the contracts. BIG BUSINESS!! And now, Big Business becomes the new gov. If by some miracle, a small community hire a small contractor...do you really think Big Business will allow it? Even if they did, free market makes it more profitable for the small contractor? to cut costs (in quality of service) to maximize profit. Free market also makes it more advantageous to sell out to big business. This is why

THAT is also my ...
THAT is also my point exactly. Take away gov., and you still have Big Business (which you say you abhor). And they will still LOVE their monopolies and HATE competition. THAT IS the nature of free market. You want ALL the marbles, but you have to keep competing (the essence of free market theory), so you come up with practices that allow you to? always stay ahead, at the cost of others, most notably-the consumer (free market reality). In addition, remove gov. and privatize

all indirect costs ...
all indirect costs to the "consumer". Free market allowed that to happen. Gov. is what stepped in and stopped that (note:In no way am I defending current gov., just refuting your statements and supporting what gov. is SUPPOSED to? be about.).

I agree, Alcoa ...
I agree, Alcoa offered it's services cheaply without much gov. intervention. And that's EXACTLY why. As stated, because it lacked gov. oversight, it is guilty of being one of the worst polluters in the U.S. It operated facilities without? licenses and sometimes even without permission or leasing from neighboring cities (under which it fell). In many cases, it was gov. that had to step in, in order to MAKE it comply with current laws and practices. It was so cheap because it past

unfriendly keeps ...
unfriendly keeps costs down. So all competing companies offer deals and other advantages, but ALL remain environmentally unfriendly. Free market economies allow? for such practices. That is merely one example. Planned obsolescence is another.

That's just it. As ...
That's just it. As with my above(?) examples, the goods and services that free market allows, also allow for severe exploitation. I won't comment on Standard oil, as I don't know enough about it, but Alcoa..Alcoa has (1 example) one of the worst environmental records in the U.S. According to free market theory, if people don't want an environmentally unfriendly company, they can go to another due to free market competition.? The reality is far different. Being environmentally

became ...
became extortionists. They began charging more and? more money, until people could no longer afford it. Disease began to run rampant. Businesses stopped paying wages and begun to pay with hard resources, like food and coal, which people desperately needed. Then the businesses began to withhold said resources for more labor. This went on for awhile until people revolted and GOV. stepped in to reign in the businesses. This same example has been repeated time an time again.

Yes, I do agree ...
Yes, I do agree with you about your 2nd paragraph. No question. However, read ANY historical text you like, gov. was in the hands of big business-they were NOT separate. In addition, from those? same historical texts, read on the quality of life for the average person. Unless you were the top 5%,...They even had to develop a service for body pick-up because, as you said, EVERYTHING was privatized. Including healthcare. Due to free market, the PRIVATIZED business of body pick-up

You're right, in ...
You're right, in that gov. is not mandated to interfere, however, monopolies existed LONG before gov. intervention in anything. It is big business (which you are supporting even as you condemn it) that took control of gov. to deregulate it's affairs. It was citizenry (throughout history) that ALWAYS insisted and enabled gov. to step in? in order to quell out of control free market businesses. You can actually look that up.

Wish I had ...
Wish I had government health care, mine is expensive and sucks, 40 dollar co-pays on top? of 325 a month.

There are still ...
There are still some good apples in the republican party, who woulda? thunk it?

Gov't IS the entity ...
Gov't IS the entity that is destroying the economy by mis-allocating the resources and finances from? legitimate competition. Gov't is the entity that's KILLING the economy and in the process it's killing the society that it's supposed to help. Unfortunately the people love the gov't doing what it's doing. People are lazy, stupid, uneducated, they are jealous and callous. They do completely deserve the gov't they get.

...gov't was? ...
...gov't was? afraid of actual competition to itself! Now, Standard Oil would have never become a monopoly if it didn't enjoy various contacts and help from various gov'ts around the world in the first place, of-course, just like all other monopolies of all times do. My point is very simple: gov'ts LOVE monopolies. Big businesses LOVE their monopolies. Gov'ts HATE competition. Big businesses HATE competition. Those entities (gov't and big business) are feeding each other.

But Alcoa didn't ...
But Alcoa didn't have competition because it supplied Aluminum so cheaply, that no legitimate competition could arise - and that's GOOD for the market if somebody is at the edge of efficiency. Once the Alcoa was broken up, the prices for aluminum went UP not down, which means gov't created an Inefficiency, as usual. Standard Oil was broken up after it was already not a? monopoly at all, there were 6 other companies competing. It was broken up because gov't was afraid of

Sure, there were ...
Sure, there were some monopolies in free market as well! I am not saying free market cannot form monopolies. BUT as long as those? monopolies provide the market with goods/services that the market is willing to bear price/quality of, those monopolies do not harm the economy. Many point at the Standard Oil (which wasn't a monopoly by the time Sherman's act was enacted against it) or Alcoa Aluminum (which was extremely efficient and produced cheapest aluminum)

The free market ...
The free market economy that USA HAD during the 19 century is no rhetoric. It is a historic fact - reality of 19 century when in fact businesses were mostly not helped by gov't, when businesses had? to compete. You find a monopoly today that's NOT gov't helped, I assure you, except for the DeBeers cartel, all monopolies are gov't subsidized and gov't milked. That's the point, that's how gov't grew to its current levels, that's how economy is destroyed.

Gov't is not ...
Gov't is not supposed to do anything of the sort, that's first of all. There is no requirement, no mandate for a gov't to mess with private enterprise. All of the gov't involvement into business is done purely to create monopolies and to sustain them by bailing them out constantly with free money, with gov't regulations, programs, taxes, subsidies, 0%? interest... Gov't has no business being IN business of any kind. The only monopolies that exist, are monopolies gov't created

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